Welcome, Guest. Please Login
Deejays Smoke Pit
 
No News!
  HomeHelpSearchLogin  
 
 
Tonight I am making Provolone the ole style (Read 367 times)
Apr 15th, 2010 at 10:29pm

DeejayDebi   Offline
YaBB Administrator
It's all about sharing!
Connecticut

Gender: female
Posts: 23806
*****
 
I haven't made provolone in years. I love the aged provolone like the ones that hung in front of the meat counter in the neighborhood grocery stores. I haven't seen that in years but it's something they should never have stopped making. Wonderful stuff. Nothing like a dry pepperoni, a hunk of aged provolone and a hunk of Italian bread to make a great picnic!
« Last Edit: Apr 16th, 2010 at 4:40am by DeejayDebi »  

Debi (aka Mom)
Smokers:
ECB -The Brinkman All-In-One Bullet type Water smoker
Camp Chef Smoke Vault 24 Inch propane smoker(aka -Black Beauty)                      
SunJoy horizontal with side firebox and installed propane grills for grilling or smoking
River Grille - Black Ceramic Egg                  
Smoke preference: Charcoal , Hickory, Apple, Cherry and pecan mix.

...
Reply #1 - Apr 16th, 2010 at 4:41am

DeejayDebi   Offline
YaBB Administrator
It's all about sharing!
Connecticut

Gender: female
Posts: 23806
*****
 
Making provolone is not as difficult as it seems whether or not you use a pH meter. I have never used a pH meter for provolone or mozzarella I just do several stretch tests until it looks right.

For this batch I used Peter Dixons recipe except that I don’t cut off a piece and throw it in 170° F water to test. I test it in the cheese vat. When it’s ready then I throw it in the hot water. When the curds are ready you can easily stretch them between your thumb and a few fingers. If it stretches but the edges look raggedy wait another 5 minutes or so and check it again.

...

When it stretches and begins to look opaque without breaking it’s ready to stretch.

...

I scoop the curd into a ball and throw it all in the hot water at once. After it gets stretched a bit I squeeze off smaller sections. It’s pretty heavy lifting over your head after a while (and splashes pretty good when it slips out of your hands).

...

I usually pull it and fold it over itself until it gets tough. That means it’s getting cool – time to grab another piece and let that one warm some.

...

After awhile it will look kind of shiny and rubbery it’s done form it into whatever shape you want. I am going to age this provolone so it will be formed into large balls. If you want to slice it for sammies put it into a tube. Put it in ice water to stiffen up for about 10 minutes or so.

...

While the cheese is cooling mix up your brine water. Throw the cheese into the brine and chill over night.

...

Good night!

 

Debi (aka Mom)
Smokers:
ECB -The Brinkman All-In-One Bullet type Water smoker
Camp Chef Smoke Vault 24 Inch propane smoker(aka -Black Beauty)                      
SunJoy horizontal with side firebox and installed propane grills for grilling or smoking
River Grille - Black Ceramic Egg                  
Smoke preference: Charcoal , Hickory, Apple, Cherry and pecan mix.

...
Reply #2 - Jan 21st, 2011 at 3:09am

KoolArrow   Offline
Junior Member
Registered User

Gender: male
Posts: 6
**
 
Many successful mozz--provolone is next. Can i use any thrmo culture? should i add lipase-if so, how much per gallon?
 
Reply #3 - Jan 21st, 2011 at 3:35am

KoolArrow   Offline
Junior Member
Registered User

Gender: male
Posts: 6
**
 
A few more questions. I get my cultures from dairy connection--can you  translate the cultures in your provolone recipe to what they offer? I already have thermo C. What is the curdle point  that i need to note or measure in the recipie?
 
Reply #4 - Jan 21st, 2011 at 12:17pm

DeejayDebi   Offline
YaBB Administrator
It's all about sharing!
Connecticut

Gender: female
Posts: 23806
*****
 
Hello KoolArrow and welcome.

First off you should go to the General Section (link here)and Introduce Yourselfand tell us something about your self.

It is generally considered rude to take (in this case information)without giving first (Introduction of who you are, where you're from, what you are here for and what you can contribute to the group).

Secondly yes you can use any thermo culture. I also get most of my cultures from Dairy Connections. Great people to work with. They have recommended useage for the cultures they sell on they website. You did say how much milk your planned to use.

Yes you should add liapse. Again the suggested amount is listed on the Dairy Connections website based on the amount of milk you plan to use.

I am not sure what you are asking - "curdle point?" Do you mean clean break? Flocculation point? Acidification point?
 

Debi (aka Mom)
Smokers:
ECB -The Brinkman All-In-One Bullet type Water smoker
Camp Chef Smoke Vault 24 Inch propane smoker(aka -Black Beauty)                      
SunJoy horizontal with side firebox and installed propane grills for grilling or smoking
River Grille - Black Ceramic Egg                  
Smoke preference: Charcoal , Hickory, Apple, Cherry and pecan mix.

...
Reply #5 - Jan 21st, 2011 at 9:01pm

KoolArrow   Offline
Junior Member
Registered User

Gender: male
Posts: 6
**
 
Took care of the intro. I found most of the info I need for a small 1 gal provolone to get the tecnique down except for one thing I have seen in several cheese recipies. In the provolone recipie in your e=book it says after riening and adding rennet to measure the curdling point and multiply it by three to determine when to cut the curds. I usually just check for a clean break however long it takes. Does it really matter how long I wait as long as I have a good solid curd? Less math is better!!! I do use ph strips to check acidity for spinning etc. Once I found good milk I have had no problems with curd or spinning. I started with direct acidified mozz with citric acid and then moved on to cultured mozz with Rickies c201 culture. It's all in the milk!!
Thanks for the help.
 
Reply #6 - Jan 22nd, 2011 at 1:57pm

DeejayDebi   Offline
YaBB Administrator
It's all about sharing!
Connecticut

Gender: female
Posts: 23806
*****
 
okay I am following now ... Are you familuar with the spinning bowl technique? I like to use an small plastic fruit cup container - it's small and light but any small container will do. Maybe I should post the technique here under tools.

Anyway ... once the milk begins to coagualate from a liquid to a gel that is the flocation point/culdling point. the amount of time it takes is the time you multiply time 3. Although some people will argur with me - it's not rocket science. I've made provelone for year by just checking for a good soild curd and it works well. As you have already discovered the level pH is important to get a good spin. For people without pH strips or meters I tend to illustrate the stretching technique as you have seen in this post. It has alwats work well for me with any of the pasta flilta type cheeses.
 

Debi (aka Mom)
Smokers:
ECB -The Brinkman All-In-One Bullet type Water smoker
Camp Chef Smoke Vault 24 Inch propane smoker(aka -Black Beauty)                      
SunJoy horizontal with side firebox and installed propane grills for grilling or smoking
River Grille - Black Ceramic Egg                  
Smoke preference: Charcoal , Hickory, Apple, Cherry and pecan mix.

...